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Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:16 am
by icycalm
Say what you want, but what happened to Roosh was a mental breakdown. We can't discuss that on his forum, for obvious reasons, not the least of which are common decency and respect, but I think it deserves to be discussed... for the sake of science, really, if nothing else. After all, Roosh is a kind of spiritual leader, and has played that role for many men. If he was merely a friend, I might have kept my mouth shut, but a public figure is not entitled to this level of circumspection, especially if it's someone whose example we are supposed to follow. NO HEALTHY MODERN MAN should follow Roosh's example back to religion, and ESPECIALLY not back to the Christian religion. At least choose a healthier religion, like the Greek or Norse or Roman, if you must choose a religion. Why Christianity of all religions?

Simply because Roosh was born in a majority Christian country and can't be bothered to compare his default religion with any other...

So back to the breakdown.

Just because it didn't happen suddenly, but has been brewing for years (his relevant blog posts are legion) does not mean it's not a breakdown. And just because I want to discuss it, openly and nakedly, doesn't mean I don't respect the man and his accomplishments and contributions.

So let's discuss it.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:37 am
by ataraxia
His father is an Iranian Muslim and his mother is an Armenian Orthodox Christian, if I'm not mistaken. Why would he choose to follow his mother rather than his father, presumably the primary masculine influence in his life as a child? He'd probably have an easier time finding a good Muslim wife over an Orthodox Christian one too.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:30 am
by questor70
IMHO, the biggest single mistake Roosh made was being a public figure. That is what put a target on his forehead and caused him to become a pariah. When that happens your life is ruined. You have no other avenues to pursue other than to continue being a quasi-activist and feeding off of your followers (hence the tour he's embarking on). He can't fade back into a normal white-collar job.

For some reason PUAs tend to either be public figures or they start out anonymous and get doxxed or they eventually come out. For comparison's sake, look at MGTOW. Most of them are anonymous and have remained so, like Stardusk and Sandman. Even though they get demonetized on Youtube they are able to lead "normal" lives.

So I really think it's important for manosphere to be a secret society. The data floats around freely and people put their knowledge into action but nobody will really know who is or isn't a member.

I know none of my friends and relatives know how I really think. I couch my language very carefully when I talk politics and women. (The closest it's come is an anonymous blog I maintain where I increasingly rail against woke-entertainment. My sister knows about the blog but she doesn't visit it that often.)

Treat yourself like a dissident hiding in plain sight.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:47 am
by icycalm
questor70 wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 2:30 am
He can't fade back into a normal white-collar job.
I don't think he would want to fade back even if he could...

Also, leadership is not very effective if it's anonymous. Yes, you can pass information around... but you can't inspire people to the same degree you can if you come forward properly. It's one thing sharing pick-up lines, and it's another thing altogether trying to direct people on how to live their lives. YaReally can spread his pick-up tricks anonymously, but Arthur Schopenhauer must come out in the public square and show everyone exactly who he is.

https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schope ... pter7.html
Schopenhauer wrote:But, above all, anonymity, that shield of all literary rascality, would have to disappear. It was introduced under the pretext of protecting the honest critic, who warned the public, against the resentment of the author and his friends. But where there is one case of this sort, there will be a hundred where it merely serves to take all responsibility from the man who cannot stand by what he has said, or possibly to conceal the shame of one who has been cowardly and base enough to recommend a book to the public for the purpose of putting money into his own pocket. Often enough it is only a cloak for covering the obscurity, incompetence and insignificance of the critic. It is incredible what impudence these fellows will show, and what literary trickery they will venture to commit, as soon as they know they are safe under the shadow of anonymity.
Schopenahuer wrote:Anonymity is the refuge for all literary and journalistic rascality. It is a practice which must be completely stopped. Every article, even in a newspaper, should be accompanied by the name of its author; and the editor should be made strictly responsible for the accuracy of the signature. The freedom of the press should be thus far restricted; so that when a man publicly proclaims through the far-sounding trumpet of the newspaper, he should be answerable for it, at any rate with his honor, if he has any; and if he has none, let his name neutralize the effect of his words. And since even the most insignificant person is known in his own circle, the result of such a measure would be to put an end to two-thirds of the newspaper lies, and to restrain the audacity of many a poisonous tongue.
So I don't think coming forward with his real name was a mistake for Roosh, and we will need many more people to follow that example in the future if we are to push back against Clown World effectively.

Roosh's mistake was succumbing to the very religion whose philosophy (of equality) is the very reason for the degeneration of the West that led to the collapse of the family and the corruption of both the men (into faggots and effeminate weaklings), and the women (into sluts).

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:53 am
by questor70
Well, you aren't articulating how to overcome the mountain of social shame that accompanies being a public figure with this sort of platform.

Note that people took countless potshots at Jordan Peterson on the forum, but out of all red-pill "activists" he's probably the closest to being taken seriously and not simply run out of society on the same rail as Harvey Weinstein. The only reason I think he's been able to get away with it is that he is an academic and polite to a fault.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:59 am
by icycalm
questor70 wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 2:53 am
Well, you aren't articulating how to overcome the mountain of social shame that accompanies being a public figure with this sort of platform.
I don't think there's a recipe beyond taking it one day at a time. Merely the fact that Roosh has so far managed to sustain himself financially for over a decade on "this sort of platform", shows that it can be done. Peterson is another good example, because he has become a downright millionaire off of it--though of course he's less extreme than Roosh, which is why he became a millionaire. And of course Trump became president on more or less exactly the same platform.

So the more of these figures we have, the more acceptable our beliefs and lifestyles will become--at any rate to whatever degree masculine values can be considered acceptable in a society where T-levels are nosediving and everyone is becoming more and more effeminate by the day.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:00 am
by icycalm
Or we can just move to Hungary or Poland or Russia. That's a quicker solution for those who are in a hurry.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:18 am
by torus
Nice job in setting up an alternative board here, to get away from the recent big change in the RVF forum. Really appreciate the efforts you guys have done here! :)

However, I think that it'll be a big pity if our already small (but brilliant) community gets dispersed into separate and tiny pockets of discussions in echo-chambers. It's easy to setup a discussion board, the much larger tasks lies in maintaining it, convincing members and great posters to join and ultimately, moderating it and keeping the crazies and trolls out.

Anyway, not going to take away from the brilliant job that you guys have done here, given the short time. But there's an alternative community (and growing list of ex-RVFers here): https://swooptheworld.com/forum. It has a rep system in place etc.

What's more important is that posters like: 262, Rhyme or Reason, Vinny, CleanSlate, Mercenary, Off The Reservation, Rhyme or Reason, Rottenapple, Globalman, etc have already signed on there, and I suspect more to come in the coming months. It's owned by 20Nations, who's one of us.

So rather than split the community further, it would be best to consolidate posters who disagree with the new direction of the forum into one that already has the features and critical mass. Thoughts?

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:32 am
by icycalm
Hey man, welcome to the forum.

This is the Roosh mental breakdown thread, so your post is kind of off-topic. So I answered you in the correct thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11&p=40#p40

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:21 am
by PillBoxer
I don't understand how Roosh hits the wall and just like a chick doing the same, starts telling everyone else to stop doing and stop talking about what he did for a long time. It's hypocritical. Let us make our own mistakes and keep your forums as a supportive place to talk about it. Preach on about your Christian beliefs and convert a few people instead of censoring the discussion. I know it's his place, but damn, I lost some respect for him.

I feel like this has been his progression since his personal issues. I just thought he'd at least let others lead the discussion when he couldn't.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:39 am
by icycalm
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It's already Clown World.

In a month it will be worse than Jezebel.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:57 am
by PillBoxer
Why keep following the guy and playing his game? Someone just man up and tell Roosh he's wrong and fucking up his forum.

Is it a respect thing?

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:20 am
by questor70
Lots of people are doing just that and getting insta-banned for it. I'm sure he knew he'd get this sort of treatment. I don't think it's going to change his mind or anything. It's just users saying their piece on the way out the door.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:40 am
by icycalm
A great analysis of Roosh's breakdown from shemp on the Swoop forum. I disagree with the political part, but the rest is solid.

https://swooptheworld.com/forum/showthr ... 88#pid8088
shemp wrote:If you want my real opinion as to where Roosh went astray, it's the obsession with idiotic one-dimensional measuring himself by notch and flag counts, as idiotic and one-dimensional as all the other numbers people use to measure themselves: rep count, likes received, dick size, net worth, countries visited. (Speaking of which, please do not rep me or like my posts. I utterly despise those features of MyBB.) Folks, quality is what matters, not quantity. If Roosh had focused on the quality of the girls he had relationships with, rather than mindlessly trying to up his notch and flag counts, maybe he wouldn't feel so empty now.

Slow but steady physical exercise is extremely important to mental health for many men. By this I mean neither cardio nor weight bearing exercise, but rather things like hiking, gardening, chopping wood, manual labor of any sort. Sitting at a desk all day monitoring RVF and then hanging around bars at night trying to up his notch count, is ultimate going to cause a man's mind to be affected. I think this is part of what caused Roosh's recent hallucinations about talking to God. The mushroom trip might also have been a factor: drugs and alcohol are both a bad idea, as you younger guys will eventually discover.

My most recent banning from RVF was because I got exasperated by some closet case having a gay panic meltdown at the idea that a man who marries a non virgin is effectively rubbing penises against other men who've used the girl's vagina previously, and that he is effectively kissing other men's penises when he kisses the mouth of a girl who previously sucked some other guy. The fact that Roosh was indulging this nitwit in a serious forum conversation caused me to lose my temper. I suggested that the ideal wife for Roosh would be an escort with 1000+ notch count, but still young and pretty, who was sick of whoring and wanted to start a family. Now yes, I was trolling but there actually is some wisdom there. I'm assuming Roosh does indeed want a family and has indeed become a devout Christian. A man like him is just not fit for a virgin. A man should marry his equal. If you've been a man whore and have reformed, then you should marry a woman whore who has reformed.

His latest book, Lady, I haven't read, but the description is truly cringe worthy. As for the book prior to that, Game, I did read that and reviewed it on his site, trying to be nice and see the positive side, which is that it provides consolation to loser guys that being a winner guy isn't all that great after all, and if the choice is between doing all the shit Roosh does to get laid versus wanking to porn, well hey, wanking looks pretty damn appealing. Roosh's "game" reminds me of selling fruit cakes door to door as one of the requirements for my Boy Scout's salesmanship merit badge. (I'm a older guy, you understand, and teenage boys actually could knock on stranger's doors in the 1970's without causing the police to show up.) Pushing a product that no one wants. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Roosh even suggests that "foot in the door" trick, so that the girl (on his case) or prospective fruit cake buyer (in my case) can't slam the door until you've finished your sales spiel. Roosh isn't a bad looking guy and, as I understand it, his standards for women's beauty aren't unreasonable. If he hadn't been such a fanatic misogynistic with these double standards that said man-slut okay but woman-slut not okay, and hadn't been so obsessed with notch and flag counts, maybe it wouldn't have been so difficult to get laid.

I was actually relieved to be banned that last time because it's such a PITA hanging out on a forum where the slightest misstep leads to a permanent ban. 99% of the time I'm a calm guy. But occasionally, I lose it and out comes a stream of "fuckwit, fucktard, fuckhead" and similiar expressions reflecting my general intelligence and skills with the English language not. Does an occasional outburst really merit a permanent ban?

If Roosh and his followers think they can affect the course of world history, they are sadly mistaken. History has a mind of its own. The direction the world is going is clearly unsustainable (exploding populations in Africa, in particular) and so change will occur eventually, but those who think they are leading this change are in fact just people who spotted a parade already in progress and then ran to the front of the parade. If you personally want to be part of the parade, whether at the front or in the middle or at the rear, by all means do so. However, the parade is going to continue with or without you, so if you don't want to participate, go do what you want to do, like living a life of unbridled hedonism like me.

And yes, I'm a monger now that I'm old and can't get what I want for free. Always had to keep that hidden over at RVF. And the crazy thing is, promotion of mongering is actually the best way to maintain the moral society Roosh and his followers say they want. Instead of corrupting all girls, men share a small number of corrupted girls and leave the others alone. Bible even approves of certain whores. Whore who helped the Jews break into Jericho. Whore Esther who saved the Jews from extermination. Etc.

Probably other things I could say, but enough for now.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 6:02 am
by PillBoxer
I'm not going to ignore the wisdom in the Christian Bible. You'll find similar "good" advice in other religious texts, just in other terms. From what I can see, he's burying his grief for a wasted life (in his mind) and personal loss into church. It happens all the damn time. But for the rest of us that didn't have that tragedy, we still need a place to talk about men's issues. That includes banging outside of marriage, game, and fighting feminism. You can be far more successful doing that with a big tent approach than the find God and family approach. Let's find the common threads between men's experiences and deal with it that way over telling us that religion is the way. It's not.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 8:09 am
by sheriffbart
I owe somebody 20 dollars for setting up this forum. Where should I send it, lol? If you read the whole Roosh rules thread then you might remember which poster I am.

There's a few points I'd like to make about this e-drama.

1. The bait and switch. The whole idea of converting a PUA forum into a born-again Christian forum is laughable. The only thing that could actually work out for him in this is that there are a bunch of sycophants who, apparently, enjoy living under a dictator going through a mid-life crisis.

2. Roosh standing up for his beliefs while also trying to preserve his brand. Roosh, as a businessman, has totally botched this. The Roosh cheerleaders are so insistent about how principled all this is and how Roosh is honest and genuine. But at the same time he's planning a US tour where you can spend $400 dollars in order to spend the day with him. Sounds exactly like what Jesus did when he brought the word of God to the people. Roosh betrayed the posters who actually created the forum for the sake of preserving his brand, but now he's going to lose both. Had Roosh not taken such a hard line position out of nowhere... Had he allowed this conversation to happen before imposing his decree then we might not be on this forum right now.

3. I'm not opposed to Roosh the reformed, religious man. My complaint is that he has handled the situation so arrogantly and stupidly. It will certainly be interesting to see what happens when he realized that he has self-sabotaged himself so thoroughly.

4. Who needs another man of God? Aren't there plenty of sources where you can follow the scripture line by line? Is Roosh meticulously planning a transition to become a social media evangelist or is he just flying by the seat of his pants? It certainly seems like the latter.

Anyways, my thanks to 'la noblesse' for stepping up to the plate.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:48 am
by Onizuka
Roosh already had a born again experience when his self hatred over his virginity, nerdiness etc became too much and he turned to pickup to turn his back on his past and feel that he had redeemed himself, so it really isn't surprising that he then he grew to hate himself again over his countless bangs, notch counting etc and turned to Christianity. Maybe in twenty years he'll hate himself again and become a born again hardcore atheist and start burning churches.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:07 pm
by Ludwig
sheriffbart wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 8:09 am
The bait and switch. The whole idea of converting a PUA forum into a born-again Christian forum is laughable.
This was my first thought when I saw his no bang discussion thread. I was surprised to see so many people coming out in support of him because it was pure clown world to me.

I'm not an active poster there but I visit almost daily. I saw this coming with the god pill thread, and the banning of The Father for questioning things was an eye opener. There was a poster that was banned for stating that his tour was a bait and switch as he announced it before his new rules. I tend to agree with this. There will be many more topics and innuendo that will be banned as rules beget rules, particularly when they are religiously motivated, and I believe RVF will become unrecognizable over time.

I'm glad this forum was started and I hope it will thrive without the community becoming splintered.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:11 pm
by Axle
The memes have begun.

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Will Roosh see the humor? Will he ban me from Roosh for this?

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:33 pm
by Axle
It's kind of funny and kind of sad that this is happening and the context.

A guy with some serious life issues takes drugs, claims god spoke to him, casts out heathens, lays down some commandments and gathers faithful sycophants.

ITS A FUCKING CULT!


Regarding the RVF surviving.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonfire_of_the_vanities

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:50 pm
by Luvianka
Come on, guys, don't shit Roosh.
The man gave us a good time, he made a decision and now it's time to move on.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:53 pm
by icycalm
lmao those memes...

Worst part is he’s writing a long essay about the shrooms. As if anyone’s interested in reading about the deranged hallucinations of a born again middle aged stoner. Can’t wait to pay him 400 so he can tell me about his tripping in person!

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:04 pm
by icycalm
Luvianka wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 4:50 pm
Come on, guys, don't shit Roosh.
The man gave us a good time, he made a decision and now it's time to move on.
Everyone is moving on, and so are we. This is just one thread in an entire forum dedicated to discussing what happened to Roosh without fear of being banned. Roosh has been laughing at the expense of the mentally deranged liberals for years, so when HE finally lost the plot, I don’t think it’s inappropriate for us to have a good laugh at his expense. In any case, it can’t be helped—the situation is hilarious.

As regards respect, we all here I am sure have tremendous amount of respect for his work and courage to follow his convictions wherever they may lead. But that doesn’t mean we have to respect the convictions themselves too if they are stupid! So let’s not decree that one must either respect everything about Roosh, or ridicule everything about him. It is a rare man who deserves complete admiration or complete contempt, and Roosh isn’t one of them. So I am perfectly comfortable with admiring certain aspects of his personality and work, while condemning and ridiculing others. And if I had to spend half a day setting up a brand new site and forum in order to be able to freely speak my mind I’ll be damned if I don’t seize the opportunity to do precisely that. So pull up a chair and join this little party, and welcome to the forum dude.

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:54 pm
by Axle
Funny that his books are still for sale.

https://www.rooshvstore.com/all-books/? ... _source=rv

Money trumps conviction and faith?

Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:57 pm
by Atlanta Man
Everyone goes through painful trials in life, Roosh is not exempt. He was always good to me and I small not cast stones from this glass house in which I reside. If he decides to come back into the fold I will be there waiting-If not I wish him good luck. Say what you will but I gained a lot from RVF so I shall not speak ill the the man while he goes through his transformation.