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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 6:04 pm

My father became born again Christian 15 years ago. I tolerated it and supported him all that time... until last November, when I’d had enough, because his constant negativity was casting a shadow over my days that was making my life ugly and miserable like his. So finally I hang up the phone on him for the last time and vowed to never speak to him again, not even on his deathbed.

Christianity is the religion of death, and Nietzsche has explained in great detail why. These people are ultimately insufferable to me. I don’t see my abandonment of them as an aggressive move on my part but as a defense of my well-being against their morbid insanity.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 6:18 pm

-WAAAH you have sinned because you like sex!!!

-And my ancestors burned entire cities to the ground and raped half their populations before breakfast, so piss off faggot.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 6:25 pm

First of all, congratulations to the men of action who set up this new forum for us (LMAO) Rooshfugees. (Or should that be Dooshfugees?)
Wish you good luck in the progress of this forum and trust the whole community never loses the important things it has developed over the years.

Anyway re Roosh.
I was actually convinced this was all some pr stunt or trolling from him before his (ahem) "nationwide tour. Snr members I spoke to thought that.One thought he was serious. I read a post of his mentioning "hug closes" and shit and thought "Ok he's admitting it was just a gag". I then made my own comedy post dick amputation about a "HOLY Order of the One Eyed [Trouser!] Snake" and got a 7 day ban. I always felt the guy was unpredictable. I'd had 2 previous 7 day bans and genuinely had no idea they were coming. One was for a joke about Hillary Clinton and transsexual soldiers. Another was just a debate with another poster (no swearing or abuse) on a topic I thought was the other poster was little disrespectful to the vast majority of us. Incidentally, 1 or 2 snr posters are now suggesting this snr poster was a fake account. Albeit one Roosh wanted to play "knigh in shining armour" for.

Ironically it was a fake Christian (an insincere ex) who caused me to join RVF. And its what I consider a BS Christian has caused me to leave it too.
I myself am Christian, but certainly not the extremist crank type Roosh's current persona is.

I think the forum has had some fantastic members with an incredible array of information with huge opportunities for anyone who just wants to partake. Ofcourse there have been some fakes and some scumbags too, but only a v small proportion. Early on I read a few of Roosh's articles. But basicaly I found once you've read a few, you've read all of them.Fat women are disgusting, homos are pathetic etc etc. Strangely Roosh felt huge indignation at these things, but what does he do about it? Coordinate email protests to businesses? Organisae boycotts? Lobby politicians? Nope nothing. He seemed hell bent on clicks and book sales. So I avoided it all because yes I know the problems already. I'd done a couple of threads "what we can do about it". But he wasn't interested, which I think ok fine, but why repeat the same messages going round in a circle.

OThers in the red pill community were critical of Roosh as a gamer/PUA. Some even said he was pretty useless. I haven't gamed with him, but I certainly consdiered what I read. I think he himself admitted in his vid that he might not settle down because he is "antisocial". HE also admitted he couldn't keep a woman of (I think) a 7 rating or higher. All this "rape" drama was puzzling. I didn't read up in depth. But I got the feeling he got a thrill out of being ambivalent/ambiguous about
his activities with women saying no, and whole "rape" topic. I get the feeling he just doesn't like women other than feeling good at getting his dick sucked. Some people are like that. He himself admits he has a decidely Islamic view on women. THis made me think of the "if a women wears a bikini she is asking to be raped " stuff you hear some radical Muslims say. I never bothered to read Roosh's "intellectual materials" but as I guess I wouldn't want my pissed out of her head sister/or whoever to be "walked home" by him after a night out. I mean I despise feminists and neoliberals, but I don't know... something just didn't seem to sit right with the guy.

I have also been wondering about some of these fake accounts. It did cross my mind that Roosh (and not just his enemies) may have had a hand in some of it. After all, I think Roosh became obsessed with revenue and clicks. I mean wanting money is fine, but there does need to be a line drawn regarding credibility.

The new book "Lady" complete with its flower cover looked like something a 1950s Indian might produce. It reminded me of those 2 characters in Little Britain ie Victorian trannies with beards who kept saying "we're ladies don't you know". The idea of Roosh
telling a lady how to be a "lady" felt decidedly weird to me.

Overally his spin on red pill wasn't something I rated highly. He was non action, but loved (the very bad attention). He seemed to revel in it.
Words like "manosphere" and "neo masculinity" didn't seem to make that much sense to me. Manosphere sounds like a fag club. "NEo masculinity" suggests being a man is some sort of "fashion". Then he moaned that he couldn't slam bitches. But at the same time wanted all women to be virgins. Again, his Muslim influence coming to the forefront.

So whats happened here? Well I actually predicted to myself that he was changing. Other blogs had predicted he might go to devout Islam. I think others suggested he'd go to devout Christianity. OK we knew his gaming days were over. I also wondered about how the forum seemed to be attracting some "interest". Remember Alex Cazes (Pirate Bay) being pulled by the Feds. And he kept saying about watching out for members being doxxed.
I wondered who he'd made enemies of. And now people are saying others might be having power over him. My view is that mybe he gets some donations from religious right people in Washington, but other than that, I think not. I thought a move to Islam would be over years, not months. But it was clear that his own personal spin was becoming very un-Western. Because lets face it, Iranian Muslim and even Armenian Orthodox aren't a Western mix! Especially someone with his kind of mindset.

Initially I did feel a fair bit of sympathy towards him. I asked snr members whether he was ok given he recent beareavements etc.
But now, I feel very little sympathy. I'm Christian myself so him banning a whole community that helped him get where he is (where the fuck is that btw!) I think is rather insulting to me and to us all. The stuff he's spouting isn't Christianity, its zealousness and bullshit and extremism. If he's devout Christian why doesn't he help the poor or something? (Or does he think they are all lazy scum?).

He's basically now siding with feminist loons who say "sex is degrading to women" and "concepts of female beauty are degrading to women".
He's promoting ultra cuck-ism, black pillism and would create miserable, ignorant inept lives for many men. He talks about "my followers" like he's Jesus. Yet even his own forum knows he's bonkers. I know a devout Christian guy called Nigel - 47 yrs old, a virgin (he's dated prob 1 girl ever!) and he lives a miserable life. I think he'd off himself if he wasn't so scared of God. Lovely guy, never judgemental. But fuck, its not the tambourine pill he needs, its some fucking viagra and wet pussy in his face and an instruction manual on what his dick's for! On stag weekends we've tried all sorts of ways to get him interested. Its tragic to see even ONE more person like Nigel being created.

Feminutjobs are now "celebrating victory". As are pillowbiters in a way too. I think Roosh made us redpillers look bad to some before. And you can say he's done a major attack on us now. Even though he has no credibility.

So why did he do it? Because he can't game any more? Yes, sort of "if I can't have pussy, then you shouldn't either". Because he thinks he's hated? Perhaps in part. To make money? Well yes. Despite his notoriety, I suspect he isn't making much and he's certainly not the guru with "followers" he once was in his own mind. He reminds me of a "shock jock" (a radio presenter who would making shocking bs just to get listeners). Radical Christianity presents as a money making opportunity for him. Because I'm sure his "tour sales" were dismal. If nothing else he can get some donations to his site. Either way, I see zero sincerity in his "new Christianity". He loves attention, he lacks reasoning ability and the previous wheeze got him far less than he expected. Ain't it strange he found God just when he needed to fill up places for his "Roosh the Rockstar tour"!!

I will pray for him. I hope he fixes his head up. He's clearly not happy. And this puritanical nonsense won't do him any help. But ultimately he shat on logic, on his supposed "Brotherhood" and the values we stood for. We aren't the "sin of lust" just like we aren't his "sin of obsessiveness". We're normal healthy blokes who believe in having our shit together. Sometimes we game, sometimes we date, sometimes we get married (not to each other obviously, but you get my idea : D). And sometimes we get divorced and start the circle again. Doesn't make us evil. If it does in his mind, he needs to cart himself off to Jeddah. Which, will probably be the persona he invents for himself next.

Once again, its sad. So I will pray for him. I hope he sees the error of his ways. And becomes a true Christian (rational, tolerant, even tempered and balanced) not some fire and brimstone tv evangelist bullshitter.

Again, thanks to the founders of this forum and good luck in its growth! I will be trying to contribute as before.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 6:51 pm

Jim Goad gives him a nice roasting. Enjoy!

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-wee ... rished-39/

Also, I never really posted that much on RVF because the moderation and censorship was so strict. I didn't really feel like I could be myself. I hate that cultish mentality where you have to be on board with the limits of acceptable discussion. Feels nice to get some fresh air here!

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 6:53 pm

I just read this;

https://www.rooshv.com/6-policies-i-wou ... ted-states

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It is clear that Protestant Christianity in most forms has strayed from the teachings of Christ, and has actually paved the way for alien control of the United States through the mechanism of social justice, Cultural Marxism, and plain old evil. I will therefore decree Orthodox Christianity as the official religion of the country. I will make Federal funds rain down on Orthodox churches and foundations that stay true to the word of Christ.

While many non-religious men may groan as this policy, fact is that a healthy society which strives towards moral belief and behavior is not possible in practice without religion. Through Orthodox Christianity, we will implement rigid social control that promotes healthy behavior and relationships. Sodomy will no longer be promoted and glorified, including anal or oral sex between heterosexuals. To encourage heathens to savor their skin in the game, men who declare themselves as atheist or non-Christian will have a monthly bag with 50% of the Roosh Bucks ($1,000). The United States was founded as a Christian nation and it will stay that way.

In addition, all divorces, whether with a domestic or foreign woman, must be granted by an Orthodox priest who believes that the couple’s differences are truly irreconcilable. If a priest does not sanction a divorce that the husband initiated, he will lose his Roosh Bucks. If an unsanctioned divorce was initiated by the woman, she will receive absolutely no assets or financial support.

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A dangerous and clearly unhinged mind. Fuck him and his holier-than-thou totalitarian ideas.
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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Axle wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 6:53 pm
Fuck him and his holier-than-thou totalitarian ideas.
A nice mix of irresponsible fiscal policy, totalitarian theocracy, and plain old stupidity.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 7:18 pm

This thread is about Roosh’s breakdown, and I want us to keep it that way. But lots of people are perusing this thread and I am afraid that some of them are getting the idea that our comments are made in bad faith, out of ill will.

To dispel this false notion, but without derailing this thread, I made a new thread in the Game forum titled “The Best of Roosh”: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18

Join me there in an ongoing retrospective celebration of the crazy half-Iranian half-Armenian but all-American dude that has given us, and all of mankind really, so much.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 8:58 pm

Axle wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:54 pm
Funny that his books are still for sale.

https://www.rooshvstore.com/all-books/? ... _source=rv

Money trumps conviction and faith?
Nah, a bunch of his books are out of print now. Not that Amazon was allowing him to sell them anyway. https://www.rooshvstore.com/out-of-print/

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 9:10 pm

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Sun May 26, 2019 8:58 pm

Nah, a bunch of his books are out of print now. Not that Amazon was allowing him to sell them anyway. https://www.rooshvstore.com/out-of-print/
Some are, not all. Pretty sure these are direct sales too.

Game, Day Bang, Poosy Paradise, 30 Bangs appear to be for sale and are listed as in print. Seems at odds with the stated moral position he is putting out.
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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 9:40 pm

la noblesse wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 7:18 pm
This thread is about Roosh’s breakdown, and I want us to keep it that way. But lots of people are perusing this thread and I am afraid that some of them are getting the idea that our comments are made in bad faith, out of ill will.
I thought this thread was a good balance of criticism and recognition. People will take what they will from that. Those who want to say it's bashing him will find the evidence. Those who want to say it's defending him will find example statements.

Roosh has absorbed more than his share of SJW and media attacks. It has taken a severe toll on him, and I believe he has himself admitted as much. It hasn't been an easy couple of years for anyone. Roosh attempted to be edgy-but-not-too-edgy, but he lost. I'm sure the threats to him and his family were bad. (I've gotten an inside look at what various visible dissidents have to endure and it's not pretty.)

So that said, I appreciate the approach of respecting his substantial contributions while calling out his flaws and this breakdown for what it is. The all-or-nothing approach to people is feminine (i.e. childish).

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 10:00 pm

Aside from the good times we had in the RVF and the incredible amount of knowledge the forum collected from so many men these years, I guess Roosh mismanaged this. I am a Mexican and follow the RVF from the beginning, when I read the 'God Pill' thread I saw this coming, also when Roosh banned fulminantly some guys who dared to ask him if that thread was April's fool.
Anyway, I even commented with another Mexican guy who follows the forum that Roosh would probably announce that he would stop commenting on the 'sinful' threads but the members will be able to continue participating and descending into degeneracy. I remember my friend told me that very moment: 'Nah, he will shoot down the forum very soon, and he is gonna throw you under the bus. Believe me, when the Christian bug hits you, it's game over'
I laughed since I thought this was too extreme, and even joked that, being America as it is, someone would suit Roosh to not to close the 'sinful' threads.
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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 10:05 pm

I think a possibility to consider at this point is that Roosh may be an agent of some sort, created to give guys with masculine pursuits bad stigmas, which is why he's labeled a rapist and his books got banned even though he never did anything controversial. A huge clue is his birthday, which "happens" to be the same as Trump's. I'm making a website which will go into more detail on this stuff, and I'll explain there how birthdays are used as code signals. And he is part Armenian - they are some of the least trustworthy people that exist. I'm still not entirely sure of course, but it's another possibility to entertain.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 10:34 pm

Artaxerxes wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 10:05 pm
I think a possibility to consider at this point is that Roosh may be an agent of some sort, created to give guys with masculine pursuits bad stigmas, which is why he's labeled a rapist and his books got banned even though he never did anything controversial. A huge clue is his birthday, which "happens" to be the same as Trump's. I'm making a website which will go into more detail on this stuff, and I'll explain there how birthdays are used as code signals. And he is part Armenian - they are some of the least trustworthy people that exist. I'm still not entirely sure of course, but it's another possibility to entertain.
I was meaning to touch on that issue with longish post above.
I'm a big believer in the "problem, reaction, solution" theory. For instance, flood Germany with dangerous migrants then use it to justify a lurch to the right. How to do it? Fund Neoliberals beforehand.

One of my real dislikes is the Neopagan ie homo/tranny militants, neoliberal lot. BUT religious right extremists can be harmful in their own way.

It may be that Roosh could have been used in some ways, even unwittingly. Its possibly a big topic but the suggestion of fake accounts makes me wonder too. As a parallel in England, we had a massive miners strike 30 years ago. Our secret services infiltrated the protestor groups to discredit them. The far righters always say "why is Roosh so against migrants if he's one himself?". I had some hunch he had a long term agenda to sell people Islam. But to me, he makes mistakes which harm his credibility. There again, he has built up a reasonable high profile. That is a weapon... to someone potentially.

The Alex Cazes thing did make me wonder. With some people sayng "being a man is about going out and doing it, no fear", you have to think "well thats gonna get snoopers from various authorities" thinking "ahhh we can have a nose around here". In some jurisdictions, soon after the snooping you can get attempts at entrapment. I'm from a legal background originally, so thats my personal observations coming thro.

I do also maintain that some of his statements did actually harm the cause of us red pillers. I have these feeling that he loved to shock, like an "intellectual with Tourettes" type of style. He was trying to get into the mindset of people who live on "gut instincts" but I just think it failed.
The way he mentioned "beware of doxxing" did make me wonder if he forecast something. Or even his conscience was saying something to us.
I've seen people carrying an unease act this way before, but that would be a different topic. And the fact he came from Washington DC also made me wonder... who might be connected to him. Ofcourse its full of agitators, grass roots spin coordinators etc etc. I think the birthdays thing might have something in it too. But overall, there's just something I can't quite put my finger on.

PS there's also the question, what were these fake accounts about. Some of em seemed really plausible in rep terms. And why are red pill sites disappearing. There don't seem to be THAT many left infact, even tho I assume a fair proprtion of Wsterners are red pill to some extent.

PPS In summary on Roosh, there was lots I agreed with him on, there was some I didn't (and then lots!) He didn't exactly endear himself to me and I've always had a nagging feeling about him. But right now he seems troubled. I don't think he will change though.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Sun May 26, 2019 11:09 pm

Could this be accelerationism on Roosh's part? He's going to say, "Let's deprive the younger generation of men of game knowledge, so that they become angry incels who want to make revolution"?

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 6:01 am

The users on RVF are starting to have mental breakdowns too: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-7328 ... pid1985230

Meltdowns are contagious. If the people around you are turning psychotic, you might too in the midst of an atmosphere of general hysteria.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 7:45 am

I'd say "mental breakdown" is a bit harsh, lots of people that go through a major life trauma suddenly turn religious as a coping mechanism. The bigger issue is that a cult of personality developed around Roosh which allows sycophants to dominate the forum and force the prevailing attitudes on everyone.
This happened in a more organic fashion back in the pre-Trump days when there were still liberals around on the forum, but they got steadily shouted down until they dropped out once Roosh started blogging more about traditionalism and conservatism.

The religious shift was more forced, starting with the God Pill thread which explicitly asked nonbelievers to refrain from posting. I tried starting an Atheist thread in order to balance things out, and it was quickly swamped with aggressive Christians (honestly I had expected the potential obnoxious people to be fedora atheists). To Roosh's credit he told me to report anyone trying to derail the thread, but I figured it'd be better to let people argue freely. Thing is, after the God thread got started I noticed lots of other unrelated threads were getting posts of bible passages or other religious woo. Since Roosh is such a dominant figure on the forum (which is realistically within his right since it's got his name on it), the religious zealots were essentially emboldened. With the thread on the cussing and poontang ban, you can see the same process. Lots of folks including myself start out arguing against controlling speech and driving the forum into Christian tradcon approved ideas only, but pretty soon it's drowned out with a zillion posts praising Roosh for his courage in turning to God, followed by more bible quotations. Always with the bible quotations...

The bannings and suspensions are pretty bizarre, most of the sarcastic commenters were pretty tame. But this does fit with my observed experience dealing with strongly religious people: they respond to valid criticisms and demonstrated inconsistencies in their beliefs by reframing the critic as their enemy just trying to pour poison in their ear.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 1:40 pm

The other bizarre fact is that it's clear that Roosh doesn't care that much about his customers/forum bros/fellow dissidents or whatever you call them. He never consulted them. Never expressed any concern about what his unilateral decision might do to the community. Never thanked anyone for helping make the forum what it was.

You've got all these guys who have put hundreds of hours into that forum. Brought Roosh tremendous value and $. And what's even sadder is that they love the place so much because they've made honest connections and real friendships that they're willing to conform just to avoid the banhammer. I'm reading these defense posts of Roosh where they're just exhibiting clear signs of Stockholm Syndrome. "It's called Roosh forum. He can do what he wants." They write 99% of the posts. He has 100% of the power. The cult of personality thing was on point.

Anyways, it'll be fun to see what'll happen. Time to get on making something new.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 2:01 pm

sheriffbart wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:40 pm
The other bizarre fact is that it's clear that Roosh doesn't care that much about his customers/forum bros/fellow dissidents or whatever you call them. He never consulted them. Never expressed any concern about what his unilateral decision might do to the community. Never thanked anyone for helping make the forum what it was.

You've got all these guys who have put hundreds of hours into that forum. Brought Roosh tremendous value and $. And what's even sadder is that they love the place so much because they've made honest connections and real friendships that they're willing to conform just to avoid the banhammer. I'm reading these defense posts of Roosh where they're just exhibiting clear signs of Stockholm Syndrome. "It's called Roosh forum. He can do what he wants." They write 99% of the posts. He has 100% of the power. The cult of personality thing was on point.

Anyways, it'll be fun to see what'll happen. Time to get on making something new.
I'll go a step further. Roosh was the least important part of that site. I didn't join RVF that long ago (3 years or so), and the VAST majority of good content and advice came from outside contributors (non-Roosh). The whole thing was a clear example of founder's syndrome in action, and still is.

I'll give credit where credit is due. He definitely brought hard truths to light in a place where men could gather to talk about it.

Enough of RVF's community still want a good place to discuss men's issues without getting tangled with Roosh's journey of self-discovery. If he wants to run a religious site, so be it.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 2:28 pm

Bortimus wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 7:45 am
....
Thing is, after the God thread got started I noticed lots of other unrelated threads were getting posts of bible passages or other religious woo. Since Roosh is such a dominant figure on the forum (which is realistically within his right since it's got his name on it), the religious zealots were essentially emboldened. With the thread on the cussing and poontang ban, you can see the same process. Lots of folks including myself start out arguing against controlling speech and driving the forum into Christian tradcon approved ideas only, but pretty soon it's drowned out with a zillion posts praising Roosh for his courage in turning to God, followed by more bible quotations. Always with the bible quotations...

The bannings and suspensions are pretty bizarre, most of the sarcastic commenters were pretty tame. But this does fit with my observed experience dealing with strongly religious people: they respond to valid criticisms and demonstrated inconsistencies in their beliefs by reframing the critic as their enemy just trying to pour poison in their ear.
As I said earlier, "IT'S A FUCKING CULT!"

Once 'God said' becomes part of the discussion, rational discourse is impossible. There is no possible meeting of the minds when one person has decided 'God mit uns'. You are lesser and they are superior, 'Because God'. If you base your world view on the conflicting and illogical, un-provable cryptic nonsense attributed to some imagined deity, logic and reason are incompatible with your world view.

"Always with the bible quotations..."
No shit. I have watch this transformation on other forums and it always goes the same. Challenging or even questioning the interpretation of the deluded quote kids will only lead to a ban. Funny thing is that every religious person is a faction. Give it a few weeks for the heathens to be purged and the infighting over how many angels can dance will have them at each others throats.

Fun stuff, ask which version of the Bible they are quoting. I have done so in the past and then moments later found a different version of the Bible that says EXACTLY the opposite of the quote they provided. Of course that version is dismissed as 'wrong'. It never dawns on them that 'right and wrong' have little meaning when you are discussing the un-provable and almost certainly delusional scribbling of some semi-literate goat herders, translated and reinterpreted several times by many folks with an agenda.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 3:07 pm

questor70 wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 2:30 am

So I really think it's important for manosphere to be a secret society. The data floats around freely and people put their knowledge into action but nobody will really know who is or isn't a member.

I know none of my friends and relatives know how I really think. I couch my language very carefully when I talk politics and women. (The closest it's come is an anonymous blog I maintain where I increasingly rail against woke-entertainment. My sister knows about the blog but she doesn't visit it that often.)

Treat yourself like a dissident hiding in plain sight.
Hear, hear! I wish there were an "upvote" button on this platform.
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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 3:10 pm

PillBoxer wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 4:57 am
Why keep following the guy and playing his game? Someone just man up and tell Roosh he's wrong and fucking up his forum.

Is it a respect thing?
I did, and countless others. We were all banned. Roosh is NOTORIOUSLY thin-skinned. Advocate a position he advocated for 15 years, but which he stopped believing in 15 minutes ago, and *POOF*, you're banned. He's as impetuous and emotional as a 15- year old girl on her period.
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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 3:38 pm

I guess I didn't see the screams of the banned on there. He's turning himself into a real L. Ron Hubbard.

I think I first started wondering how valuable he was the the movement after seeing him on Dr. Oz. He was the worst advocate for men's rights on there when softballs were thrown in his direction. There was a respectful way to make men look good there, especially when Dr. Phil kept delivering land whale after land whale in front of him. He should have just said, I wouldn't hit that because I have standards. And I'm entitled to have them if these women are.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 3:41 pm

Call me cynical, but I think there is more opportunism than conversion in Roosh's change of direction.

Roosh has always been an opportunist. He never liked working for others (and at this point,likely couldn't buy his way into a corporate job; the blue-haired HR freaks would cause holy hell!). I recall all the heat he took for his "Rape should be legal" post. He later tried to pass it off as a "though experiment", but it wasn't. Nor was it what it purported to be: A sincere belief that society would be better if women had to be more circumspect in their behavior, and legal rape on private property was a means to that end. It wasn't any of that. I wrote him a PM that said "Look, it's obvious what you're doing here - trying to drive traffic to your site by being outrageous. But what on god's green earth made you think RAPE was a topic to joke about??" Of course I was immediately banned; Roosh is notoriously thin-skinned. The guy has ALWAYS been about selling books, ads, etc, because that was the only way he could feed himself. And barely that - look at the studio apartments he had in remote parts of eastern europe - what could they cost, $400/month? The guy wasn't exactly killing it.

Here's what I think happened: He saw Roissy and Alex Jones and countless others deplatformed, and correctly intuited he was next. Already, his books were banned on amazon, likely halving (or more) his potential sales revenue. On top of that, his audience was aging out of the PUA scene. He could have tried to appeal to the next generation of PUAs and had credibility as the "Godfather of PUA", but people like mentors closer to their own generation. Roosh himself admitted he was too old to go to the clubs more than once a month. Soon, some 23-yr old PUA who was clbbing nightly would come up with updated techniques and technology and Roosh's ability to earn a living would fade.

So what could he do to hold onto his audience as it moves to an older demographic, and broaden that audience, and do so in a way that was unlikely to be deplatformed? I think in a very cold, rationale manner said "Well, what sells nearly as much porn? Religious crap!" And so I think he will try to be a mini-JImmy Swaggert, swindling older people out of their cash with a "look at meeee, I wuz a SINNER but now ah REPENT!!"shctick.

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts he soon seeks to monetize his new-found faith. Sister dying or no, I don't believe there is a SHRED of sincerity in any of this. It is pure opportunism. That's why he so quickly "banned" anyone who disagreed with him about it. He didn't want anyone pulling back the curtain to see the man behind it.

Roosh is a good huckster, so he may eke out a living at it. But those of us who have seen through it are far better off in a forum where honestly prevails, and where men are free to posit their ideas and challenge the ideas of others in an environment free of "you're banned!!" threats. Let the best IDEAS prevail here.
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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 3:42 pm

PillBoxer wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 3:38 pm
He's turning himself into a real L. Ron Hubbard.
He'd have to start his own religion for that. Hubbard was next level. And to start your own religion you have to be 100% anti-religious, because you know you're lying to people. Roosh ain't cool like that.

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Re: Roosh's mental breakdown

Mon May 27, 2019 5:09 pm

I find hard to believe that the conversion is fake because he’s been displaying gradual signs of conversion for years now. If it had been a snap decision after the Heartiste deplatforming I would have been suspicious, but there’s no way he’s been planning this for years.

He’s just weak, naive and not terribly intelligent so he succumbed to the spaghetti monster just like many people of this kind do. I mean he’s been reading and even reviewing books for years and never came across Nietzsche. The entire “manosphere” is like that. None of the bloggers are even remotely well-read, and when they are also weak and pessimistic like Roosh, they’ve nowhere to turn to besides the spaghetti monster when life stomps them.

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